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| 2 | |
| 3 | .. _netdev-FAQ: |
| 4 | |
| 5 | ========== |
| 6 | netdev FAQ |
| 7 | ========== |
| 8 | |
Baruch Siach | 1d898b2 | 2020-12-20 10:49:47 +0200 | [diff] [blame] | 9 | What is netdev? |
| 10 | --------------- |
| 11 | It is a mailing list for all network-related Linux stuff. This |
Tobin C. Harding | 96398dd | 2018-07-26 15:02:25 +1000 | [diff] [blame] | 12 | includes anything found under net/ (i.e. core code like IPv6) and |
| 13 | drivers/net (i.e. hardware specific drivers) in the Linux source tree. |
| 14 | |
| 15 | Note that some subsystems (e.g. wireless drivers) which have a high |
| 16 | volume of traffic have their own specific mailing lists. |
| 17 | |
| 18 | The netdev list is managed (like many other Linux mailing lists) through |
| 19 | VGER (http://vger.kernel.org/) and archives can be found below: |
| 20 | |
| 21 | - http://marc.info/?l=linux-netdev |
| 22 | - http://www.spinics.net/lists/netdev/ |
| 23 | |
| 24 | Aside from subsystems like that mentioned above, all network-related |
| 25 | Linux development (i.e. RFC, review, comments, etc.) takes place on |
| 26 | netdev. |
| 27 | |
Baruch Siach | 1d898b2 | 2020-12-20 10:49:47 +0200 | [diff] [blame] | 28 | How do the changes posted to netdev make their way into Linux? |
| 29 | -------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 30 | There are always two trees (git repositories) in play. Both are |
Tobin C. Harding | 96398dd | 2018-07-26 15:02:25 +1000 | [diff] [blame] | 31 | driven by David Miller, the main network maintainer. There is the |
| 32 | ``net`` tree, and the ``net-next`` tree. As you can probably guess from |
| 33 | the names, the ``net`` tree is for fixes to existing code already in the |
| 34 | mainline tree from Linus, and ``net-next`` is where the new code goes |
| 35 | for the future release. You can find the trees here: |
| 36 | |
Jesper Dangaard Brouer | e64b274 | 2020-01-03 13:36:22 +0100 | [diff] [blame] | 37 | - https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/netdev/net.git |
| 38 | - https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/netdev/net-next.git |
Tobin C. Harding | 96398dd | 2018-07-26 15:02:25 +1000 | [diff] [blame] | 39 | |
Baruch Siach | 1d898b2 | 2020-12-20 10:49:47 +0200 | [diff] [blame] | 40 | How often do changes from these trees make it to the mainline Linus tree? |
| 41 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 42 | To understand this, you need to know a bit of background information on |
Tobin C. Harding | 96398dd | 2018-07-26 15:02:25 +1000 | [diff] [blame] | 43 | the cadence of Linux development. Each new release starts off with a |
| 44 | two week "merge window" where the main maintainers feed their new stuff |
| 45 | to Linus for merging into the mainline tree. After the two weeks, the |
| 46 | merge window is closed, and it is called/tagged ``-rc1``. No new |
| 47 | features get mainlined after this -- only fixes to the rc1 content are |
| 48 | expected. After roughly a week of collecting fixes to the rc1 content, |
| 49 | rc2 is released. This repeats on a roughly weekly basis until rc7 |
| 50 | (typically; sometimes rc6 if things are quiet, or rc8 if things are in a |
| 51 | state of churn), and a week after the last vX.Y-rcN was done, the |
| 52 | official vX.Y is released. |
| 53 | |
| 54 | Relating that to netdev: At the beginning of the 2-week merge window, |
| 55 | the ``net-next`` tree will be closed - no new changes/features. The |
| 56 | accumulated new content of the past ~10 weeks will be passed onto |
| 57 | mainline/Linus via a pull request for vX.Y -- at the same time, the |
| 58 | ``net`` tree will start accumulating fixes for this pulled content |
| 59 | relating to vX.Y |
| 60 | |
| 61 | An announcement indicating when ``net-next`` has been closed is usually |
| 62 | sent to netdev, but knowing the above, you can predict that in advance. |
| 63 | |
| 64 | IMPORTANT: Do not send new ``net-next`` content to netdev during the |
| 65 | period during which ``net-next`` tree is closed. |
| 66 | |
| 67 | Shortly after the two weeks have passed (and vX.Y-rc1 is released), the |
| 68 | tree for ``net-next`` reopens to collect content for the next (vX.Y+1) |
| 69 | release. |
| 70 | |
| 71 | If you aren't subscribed to netdev and/or are simply unsure if |
| 72 | ``net-next`` has re-opened yet, simply check the ``net-next`` git |
| 73 | repository link above for any new networking-related commits. You may |
| 74 | also check the following website for the current status: |
| 75 | |
| 76 | http://vger.kernel.org/~davem/net-next.html |
| 77 | |
| 78 | The ``net`` tree continues to collect fixes for the vX.Y content, and is |
| 79 | fed back to Linus at regular (~weekly) intervals. Meaning that the |
| 80 | focus for ``net`` is on stabilization and bug fixes. |
| 81 | |
| 82 | Finally, the vX.Y gets released, and the whole cycle starts over. |
| 83 | |
Baruch Siach | 1d898b2 | 2020-12-20 10:49:47 +0200 | [diff] [blame] | 84 | So where are we now in this cycle? |
| 85 | ---------------------------------- |
Tobin C. Harding | 96398dd | 2018-07-26 15:02:25 +1000 | [diff] [blame] | 86 | |
| 87 | Load the mainline (Linus) page here: |
| 88 | |
| 89 | https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git |
| 90 | |
| 91 | and note the top of the "tags" section. If it is rc1, it is early in |
| 92 | the dev cycle. If it was tagged rc7 a week ago, then a release is |
| 93 | probably imminent. |
| 94 | |
Baruch Siach | 1d898b2 | 2020-12-20 10:49:47 +0200 | [diff] [blame] | 95 | How do I indicate which tree (net vs. net-next) my patch should be in? |
| 96 | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 97 | Firstly, think whether you have a bug fix or new "next-like" content. |
Tobin C. Harding | 96398dd | 2018-07-26 15:02:25 +1000 | [diff] [blame] | 98 | Then once decided, assuming that you use git, use the prefix flag, i.e. |
| 99 | :: |
| 100 | |
| 101 | git format-patch --subject-prefix='PATCH net-next' start..finish |
| 102 | |
| 103 | Use ``net`` instead of ``net-next`` (always lower case) in the above for |
| 104 | bug-fix ``net`` content. If you don't use git, then note the only magic |
| 105 | in the above is just the subject text of the outgoing e-mail, and you |
| 106 | can manually change it yourself with whatever MUA you are comfortable |
| 107 | with. |
| 108 | |
Baruch Siach | 1d898b2 | 2020-12-20 10:49:47 +0200 | [diff] [blame] | 109 | I sent a patch and I'm wondering what happened to it - how can I tell whether it got merged? |
| 110 | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 111 | Start by looking at the main patchworks queue for netdev: |
Tobin C. Harding | 96398dd | 2018-07-26 15:02:25 +1000 | [diff] [blame] | 112 | |
Jakub Kicinski | 460cd17 | 2020-11-09 19:51:20 -0800 | [diff] [blame] | 113 | https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/netdevbpf/list/ |
Tobin C. Harding | 96398dd | 2018-07-26 15:02:25 +1000 | [diff] [blame] | 114 | |
| 115 | The "State" field will tell you exactly where things are at with your |
| 116 | patch. |
| 117 | |
Baruch Siach | 1d898b2 | 2020-12-20 10:49:47 +0200 | [diff] [blame] | 118 | The above only says "Under Review". How can I find out more? |
| 119 | ------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 120 | Generally speaking, the patches get triaged quickly (in less than |
Tobin C. Harding | 96398dd | 2018-07-26 15:02:25 +1000 | [diff] [blame] | 121 | 48h). So be patient. Asking the maintainer for status updates on your |
| 122 | patch is a good way to ensure your patch is ignored or pushed to the |
| 123 | bottom of the priority list. |
| 124 | |
Baruch Siach | 1d898b2 | 2020-12-20 10:49:47 +0200 | [diff] [blame] | 125 | I submitted multiple versions of the patch series. Should I directly update patchwork for the previous versions of these patch series? |
| 126 | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 127 | No, please don't interfere with the patch status on patchwork, leave |
Tobin C. Harding | 96398dd | 2018-07-26 15:02:25 +1000 | [diff] [blame] | 128 | it to the maintainer to figure out what is the most recent and current |
| 129 | version that should be applied. If there is any doubt, the maintainer |
| 130 | will reply and ask what should be done. |
| 131 | |
Baruch Siach | 1d898b2 | 2020-12-20 10:49:47 +0200 | [diff] [blame] | 132 | I made changes to only a few patches in a patch series should I resend only those changed? |
| 133 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
| 134 | No, please resend the entire patch series and make sure you do number your |
Florian Fainelli | ffa9125 | 2019-03-18 11:07:33 -0700 | [diff] [blame] | 135 | patches such that it is clear this is the latest and greatest set of patches |
| 136 | that can be applied. |
| 137 | |
Baruch Siach | 1d898b2 | 2020-12-20 10:49:47 +0200 | [diff] [blame] | 138 | I submitted multiple versions of a patch series and it looks like a version other than the last one has been accepted, what should I do? |
| 139 | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 140 | There is no revert possible, once it is pushed out, it stays like that. |
Florian Fainelli | ffa9125 | 2019-03-18 11:07:33 -0700 | [diff] [blame] | 141 | Please send incremental versions on top of what has been merged in order to fix |
| 142 | the patches the way they would look like if your latest patch series was to be |
| 143 | merged. |
| 144 | |
Jakub Kicinski | dbbe7c9 | 2021-03-02 18:46:43 -0800 | [diff] [blame] | 145 | Are there special rules regarding stable submissions on netdev? |
Baruch Siach | 1d898b2 | 2020-12-20 10:49:47 +0200 | [diff] [blame] | 146 | --------------------------------------------------------------- |
Jakub Kicinski | dbbe7c9 | 2021-03-02 18:46:43 -0800 | [diff] [blame] | 147 | While it used to be the case that netdev submissions were not supposed |
| 148 | to carry explicit ``CC: stable@vger.kernel.org`` tags that is no longer |
| 149 | the case today. Please follow the standard stable rules in |
| 150 | :ref:`Documentation/process/stable-kernel-rules.rst <stable_kernel_rules>`, |
| 151 | and make sure you include appropriate Fixes tags! |
Tobin C. Harding | 96398dd | 2018-07-26 15:02:25 +1000 | [diff] [blame] | 152 | |
Baruch Siach | 1d898b2 | 2020-12-20 10:49:47 +0200 | [diff] [blame] | 153 | Is the comment style convention different for the networking content? |
| 154 | --------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 155 | Yes, in a largely trivial way. Instead of this:: |
Tobin C. Harding | 96398dd | 2018-07-26 15:02:25 +1000 | [diff] [blame] | 156 | |
| 157 | /* |
| 158 | * foobar blah blah blah |
| 159 | * another line of text |
| 160 | */ |
| 161 | |
| 162 | it is requested that you make it look like this:: |
| 163 | |
| 164 | /* foobar blah blah blah |
| 165 | * another line of text |
| 166 | */ |
| 167 | |
Baruch Siach | 1d898b2 | 2020-12-20 10:49:47 +0200 | [diff] [blame] | 168 | I am working in existing code that has the former comment style and not the latter. Should I submit new code in the former style or the latter? |
| 169 | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 170 | Make it the latter style, so that eventually all code in the domain |
Tobin C. Harding | 96398dd | 2018-07-26 15:02:25 +1000 | [diff] [blame] | 171 | of netdev is of this format. |
| 172 | |
Baruch Siach | 1d898b2 | 2020-12-20 10:49:47 +0200 | [diff] [blame] | 173 | I found a bug that might have possible security implications or similar. Should I mail the main netdev maintainer off-list? |
| 174 | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 175 | No. The current netdev maintainer has consistently requested that |
Tobin C. Harding | 96398dd | 2018-07-26 15:02:25 +1000 | [diff] [blame] | 176 | people use the mailing lists and not reach out directly. If you aren't |
| 177 | OK with that, then perhaps consider mailing security@kernel.org or |
| 178 | reading about http://oss-security.openwall.org/wiki/mailing-lists/distros |
| 179 | as possible alternative mechanisms. |
| 180 | |
Baruch Siach | 1d898b2 | 2020-12-20 10:49:47 +0200 | [diff] [blame] | 181 | What level of testing is expected before I submit my change? |
| 182 | ------------------------------------------------------------ |
| 183 | If your changes are against ``net-next``, the expectation is that you |
Tobin C. Harding | 96398dd | 2018-07-26 15:02:25 +1000 | [diff] [blame] | 184 | have tested by layering your changes on top of ``net-next``. Ideally |
| 185 | you will have done run-time testing specific to your change, but at a |
| 186 | minimum, your changes should survive an ``allyesconfig`` and an |
| 187 | ``allmodconfig`` build without new warnings or failures. |
| 188 | |
Baruch Siach | 1d898b2 | 2020-12-20 10:49:47 +0200 | [diff] [blame] | 189 | How do I post corresponding changes to user space components? |
| 190 | ------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 191 | User space code exercising kernel features should be posted |
Jakub Kicinski | 6f7a1f9 | 2020-11-24 20:15:24 -0800 | [diff] [blame] | 192 | alongside kernel patches. This gives reviewers a chance to see |
| 193 | how any new interface is used and how well it works. |
| 194 | |
| 195 | When user space tools reside in the kernel repo itself all changes |
| 196 | should generally come as one series. If series becomes too large |
| 197 | or the user space project is not reviewed on netdev include a link |
| 198 | to a public repo where user space patches can be seen. |
| 199 | |
| 200 | In case user space tooling lives in a separate repository but is |
| 201 | reviewed on netdev (e.g. patches to `iproute2` tools) kernel and |
| 202 | user space patches should form separate series (threads) when posted |
| 203 | to the mailing list, e.g.:: |
| 204 | |
| 205 | [PATCH net-next 0/3] net: some feature cover letter |
| 206 | └─ [PATCH net-next 1/3] net: some feature prep |
| 207 | └─ [PATCH net-next 2/3] net: some feature do it |
| 208 | └─ [PATCH net-next 3/3] selftest: net: some feature |
| 209 | |
| 210 | [PATCH iproute2-next] ip: add support for some feature |
| 211 | |
| 212 | Posting as one thread is discouraged because it confuses patchwork |
| 213 | (as of patchwork 2.2.2). |
| 214 | |
Jakub Kicinski | f1d77b2 | 2021-02-09 12:34:09 -0800 | [diff] [blame] | 215 | Can I reproduce the checks from patchwork on my local machine? |
| 216 | -------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 217 | |
| 218 | Checks in patchwork are mostly simple wrappers around existing kernel |
| 219 | scripts, the sources are available at: |
| 220 | |
| 221 | https://github.com/kuba-moo/nipa/tree/master/tests |
| 222 | |
| 223 | Running all the builds and checks locally is a pain, can I post my patches and have the patchwork bot validate them? |
| 224 | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 225 | |
| 226 | No, you must ensure that your patches are ready by testing them locally |
| 227 | before posting to the mailing list. The patchwork build bot instance |
| 228 | gets overloaded very easily and netdev@vger really doesn't need more |
| 229 | traffic if we can help it. |
| 230 | |
Jakub Kicinski | 396492b | 2021-08-03 16:14:15 -0700 | [diff] [blame] | 231 | netdevsim is great, can I extend it for my out-of-tree tests? |
| 232 | ------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 233 | |
| 234 | No, `netdevsim` is a test vehicle solely for upstream tests. |
| 235 | (Please add your tests under tools/testing/selftests/.) |
| 236 | |
| 237 | We also give no guarantees that `netdevsim` won't change in the future |
| 238 | in a way which would break what would normally be considered uAPI. |
| 239 | |
| 240 | Is netdevsim considered a "user" of an API? |
| 241 | ------------------------------------------- |
| 242 | |
| 243 | Linux kernel has a long standing rule that no API should be added unless |
| 244 | it has a real, in-tree user. Mock-ups and tests based on `netdevsim` are |
| 245 | strongly encouraged when adding new APIs, but `netdevsim` in itself |
| 246 | is **not** considered a use case/user. |
| 247 | |
Baruch Siach | 1d898b2 | 2020-12-20 10:49:47 +0200 | [diff] [blame] | 248 | Any other tips to help ensure my net/net-next patch gets OK'd? |
| 249 | -------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 250 | Attention to detail. Re-read your own work as if you were the |
Tobin C. Harding | 96398dd | 2018-07-26 15:02:25 +1000 | [diff] [blame] | 251 | reviewer. You can start with using ``checkpatch.pl``, perhaps even with |
| 252 | the ``--strict`` flag. But do not be mindlessly robotic in doing so. |
| 253 | If your change is a bug fix, make sure your commit log indicates the |
| 254 | end-user visible symptom, the underlying reason as to why it happens, |
| 255 | and then if necessary, explain why the fix proposed is the best way to |
| 256 | get things done. Don't mangle whitespace, and as is common, don't |
| 257 | mis-indent function arguments that span multiple lines. If it is your |
| 258 | first patch, mail it to yourself so you can test apply it to an |
| 259 | unpatched tree to confirm infrastructure didn't mangle it. |
| 260 | |
| 261 | Finally, go back and read |
| 262 | :ref:`Documentation/process/submitting-patches.rst <submittingpatches>` |
| 263 | to be sure you are not repeating some common mistake documented there. |